Do you think the Apostle Paul really knew the names of the thousands who were added to the church daily or that he made hospital visits? Its totally untenable but yet I have seen so many in high positions double dip or even have businesses on the side that enrich them even more. I may be reading too much into your comments. My own mother has preached in the pulpit a time or two, or three. Its because, not so deep down, they know that they themselves are no more than bloggers; the only difference being that they read some of their blog posts out to an audience on a Sunday morning. Far too many people are looking for a celebrity so they can say "We go to David Platt's church." That was a while back, though, when parsonages were still en vogue. thats totally awesome. I wouldt read too much into that experience. Maybe a thread on ecclessiology would help define terms and roles it is sorely needed in the contemporary scene. i could care less about your career. God. If I had never joined a church till I had found one that was perfect, I should never have joined one at all; and the moment I did join it, if I had found one, I should have spoiled it, for it would not have been a perfect church after I had become a member of it. My reference to man was meant as human.. One hour to download it from a Research Service and trim off the labels, 19-24 hours to play Doom, Sounds like Comrade Napoleon on how the Pigs of the Inner Party have such a hard and lonely task. All of scripture is not the Gospel (Wisdom Lit., lament, apocalyptic, etc.). WebDavid Platt Introduction: David Platt, The disciples world had just been rocked when Jesus turned their thinking up-side down about what makes someone clean. All due respect, Okrapod, these arent scriptural requirements for an elder. I hear your complaints. Or do you mean the Mega New Testament Church model, in which the large full-time staff are comfortably paid wages from the offering baskets of the local believers (believers that they must manage) especially the ones who are sharing leadership with them on a non-paid basis, fitting it around the hours they work to earn money to live. Authority is vested (Ill go with that) in the offices and those who hold the offices. Ive seen it work well. Problem is Jesus shepherded in another fashion and ran off when people wanted him to be a celebrity. He was completely tone deaf to our concerns. He Didnt Love Being a Police Officer. You want to be a prima donna with a weekend gig? Does Public Broadcasting Need Your Tote Bag Deep into the churchs 1 Then I had to remember all the sermons I had listend to and how deeply moved I was by his heart for Missions and Jesus. Coming late to this but yes. (Make it uncomfortable for them by degrees, so that they sign or leave? Hopefully they will all burn themselves out by being crazy busy like Platt and go away! Id settle for an acceptable church. Overhead is a thing that happens every single day regardless of how many people show up. No created thing compares to knowing Him. I also think its something all Christians should aspire toward, though I do believe all Christians are equal priests in a priesthood lead by Jesus. That probably should have clued me in to the fact that things were unhealthy there. the placid, smiley response is the wrong one. Pastoral care fits, here. Im fine with paying staff, pastors, etc, but dont insist theres a New Testament mandate for the paid career program we see. Jesus called us friends not pets. Also surprised MBC would go for this. for a paper. Maybe I did not put it across very well and I certainly agree with you about the importance of the two great commandments. The lure of preaching reminds me a great deal of Solomons adulterous woman in Proverbs 7, luring a simple youth to his destruction. It seems perfectly obvious to me that He wants more when it comes to eternity than just hanging around and thinking pleasant thoughts, so to speak. That said it may be only a contributing reason for the over-use of the pastor title. This money comes to you tax free, as you (unlike the rest of us Americans who dont have pastor or Reverend in front of our names) do not have to pay federal income tax on that portion. So far they havent bothered us too much about the whole covenant signing thing, but Im concerned Whats going to happen when the new church covenant to replace the old (two churches are merging) comes in, and the push comes to get everyone to sign the new one? Usually didnt pay or didnt pay much. Yes, if nothing else I wonder how much of a burden these self-acclaimed superman leaders put on the rest of us who cannot seem to do as much as they do. 12, Eph. I grew up Church of Christ however; denominations mean nothing to me. And I pray this broadcast will help you do just that. Hes doing well. This is interesting. I explain I cant do funerals, visits, phone calls, or meetings. He wants that title. Bringing out the same exact thoughts / ideas? When he recently encountered a young man who stutters at a Keene, Second thought is the IMB Presidency is a full-time job which God also called him to and God is not as flakey as David Platt appears to be. In what respects? Because healthy community is missional. This is one of the reasons I ended up ditching the SBC for good. Have you seen what their next conference is going to be? Oh wow Lydia, now you are getting into the territory that my daughter was discovering when she was at school in Baltimore and dating an SGM man. Yes, my experience and sentiments exactly. While many take much pride in their pastor title I would be embarrassed at the current level of absurdity. We have greatly improved our administration (add ministry) for which I am thankful. Lol. Same as most 9M churches they pay lip service to prayer but dont labor in much prayer. Example: did the church meet in individual homes? One can have a missions agency and not be a church. Or do you mean the Mega New Testament Church model, in which the large full-time staff are comfortably paid wages from the offering baskets of the local believers, Just like the Priests of the old Egyptian gods. I have heard so much drivel from the pulpits over the years that they probably wont even have to use formaldehyde, or whatever, on my body; the drivel will be enough preservative. I believe they will be held accountable. It evolved; a culture developed around it; rules and regulations; holidays and celebrations; the yearly church calendar; working people could show up, pay up, and leave; eventually the CEO posted a job roster for the volunteers; duties and titles; gender roles; power and access became linked to donated money; book$ and conference$ and web$ite$ and broadcast$; celebrity and status; trips and missions and safaris; etc. I wonder specifically how the dream (that moves one to tears of longing) and the deep sense of calling differ. But they serve others, and visit the sick. Well, theyre not laughing now, are they? When I attended a Sovereign Grace Church the pastors had their own small group! McLean Bible Church was obviously looking for a high profile name to be their teaching pastor. Headless Unicorn Guy wrote: However, I can tell you as a senior pastor type that its hard to find the funding to hire enough pastors to make that a reality. Take this opportunity to tell these supposed *pastors* what you think a pastor should be. I. @ Sopwith: But who else is going to feature that boring hallway that nobody ever uses? What is Jesus gospel? I spend 7-10 hours studying Gods word and I am not preparing a sermon. Mr Platt aint got nuttin on Mr Crazy Buzy DeYoung. And it is He himself, the Jesus of keep my commandments who says to some depart from me What do you reckon the remuneration will be for this part-time pastoring? At the risk of opening up a rabbit-trail of dislike for Mr Warren, he is at any rate correct on this, and he lifts the lid on something that needs emphasising much more often than it currently is. I believe Christians (the Church) have different responsibilities in the Church, not authority. If no one has the guts to challenge this false ninja TULIP gospel change agent, and the one who was stupid enough to bring him on board, then McLean Bible Church will quietly descend into Calvinist authoritarian tyrannical darkness, its members none the wiser. I usually dread listening to missionaries speak, anticipating the guilt trip that they sometime put on other people for not being as extreme and missional and sacrificial as them. There is absolutely nothing of Jesus Christ in any of it. So why do we continue supporting this made up role? I felt the LORD give me this analogy/story line a few years ago concerning juggernaut corporate bakeries and local artisan bakeries. Personally collecting and sending funds from one local body of believers to a non-local body of believers who were in need? Interesting, I always thought Platt was the dullard they sent on errands when they talked about the secret stuff. We exist for one another, too. Based on social media, not everyone is excited about it. Its like a code for the party apparatus. GSD, Now THAT was really pushing it. If you love the Lord and truly follow the Lord, He will open opportunities where He wants you to be. I am sure my staff are wondering why I laughed so loudly a moment ago. And because we are made in Gods image and likeness, its not good for us to be alone. I think the title of pastor has lost its meaning. Its soft texture conforms to you when you grasp it! Of course, were they to turn it into a profit center and start renting it out for profit, thatd be different, but nothing in the tax code stops them from performing a community service like that. But what exactly do these terms mean? Same here. If I baked you 10 cookies but one had poison would you eat one or just throw the entire batch out? First thought is David Platt misses having a large live audience every week. But we have some in depth sunday school classes. I did join it after attending for a year and then left after four months. Well, I think its clear what the problem is. Were connected. Mahaney. Of course there are many in between, but I continue to be amazed how many people do not put much thought into what they do and say.. our immediate culture is makin this worse. Or mainly? God can work with plan A, plan B, plan C, etc. Moses and Joshua ministered unto the LORD; Samuel was ministering unto the LORD (trimming the lamps); Paul and Barnabas were ministering unto the LORD when the Spirit separated them unto Himself (Acts 13:2). It is much more than that and there are many, many Christians who do this quite well without drawing any attention to themselves at all. David Platt unfortunately comes across as manipulating and disingenuous. I know of churches that have moved into an area and purchased an existing building. I was furious but also too new to the church and too scared to call him out on it. You are one of the lucky ones if you can see through him. You can read between the lines Im sure and see how the David Platt thing fits into all of this. Sorry to be so long winded but it annoys me to no end to see a ministry that I personally experienced turn into something so at least to me foreign to a Biblical standard of fellowship. Its true that not everyone likes it, but many people do. For me, its a point of emphasis. Our friends are grounded, thoughtful and medically qualified; and not remotely given to sensationalism or exaggeration. Zechzav wrote: Have you considered that its because most megachurch pastors care very little about Scripture, as thats just not the point? To our readers He demonstrates his attitude that he can dress down for Sunday service. The sermon or the gathering might not be experienced as anything significant to us, but we dont know how others are responding. However, I do think it represents something about care and compassion of the sheep and knowing them by name. See how you feel then. Jesus preached and taught at the temple, in the open air and in the home of Martha/Mary and Lazarus as well as in the synagogues and sent the seventy out to wherever they could get somebody to listen. The pastor has stated he spends 15 20 hours a week preparing his sermonbut in reading the comments above about how pastors will say that but just copy & paste other people I just found a sermon by MacArthur on Psalm 19 and it sounded exactly like the sermon my pastor preached a few weeks ago on Psalm 19. Is it common for Calvinist pastors to preach almost word for word Piper / MacArthurs sermons on the same exact texts? Or when the weekly sermon is the main source of our biblical sustenance. not someone building a career. Once the bible (or more specifically what some people try to do with the bible} is treated as simply a different version of the old Jewish idea of law and thus turned into a burden too heavy to bear-then we can quote Jesus himself about the fact that creating burdens like that is a big time no-no. I know many folks like me at Mclean. The pastor at a church we attend is going to get a three month sabbatical in Jan. But I wonder if the drawbacks of the megachurch are worth those benefits. He speaks very quietly and sometimes it is hard to make out what he is saying. One time my former FIEC church had Don Carson come to preach and my friends were so excited by it. I have been hearing from a few folks. Yes, but Platt played the deep sense of calling (from God) card. On more than one occasion he preached a sermon almost word for word from one of Tom Wrights books. And often a committee wants Adrian Rogers in a church of 300. Could you quote me some specific passages on that? Just today he seems to throw a jab at Paige Patterson. Incidentally, that is. Its high-glycemic index gives a rush of exhilaration as it floods into the bloodstream like pure sugar. I hate all this back room deception and gaming. The fact that he was preaching was all that mattered! its high time for change. But even on the most complicated issues, Ive never spent 20-25 hours just preparing for a meeting. Even if he does prep his own sermons . I hope not. This week, it was announced thatDavid Plattwill soon be voted on to be the new teaching pastor atMcLean Bible Church. As you are well aware, the spiritual life saved, may very well be a personal one. I also have an active prayer closet and know how to use it. The flock is right in holding its paid shepherd role accountable, sadly lacking today. I would put those other elements that you mentioned at the center, and leave the weekly preach as an option. Why would people say Jesus loves me and just stop there; where is the rest of the sentence as to what that means to be loved by God? As a former member of Brook Hills where David was once my pastor, I am concerned about this. Personally collecting and sending funds from one local body of believers to a non-local body of believers who were in need? There were more interesting and relevant things that I cant remember from that story. My husband said this evening that its like a plague and now even once-immune MBC is falling victim to it. We wouldnt if they said they wanted a pole dancer, a stripper, and free beer. Also, there are close ties to the SBC since the NAMB (North American Mission Board)runs their church planting efforts out of McLean. Thersites wrote: Worship is the response to a revelation of Who God is. They will respond with worship to the created thing Idolatry. Insidious idolatry always tries to put the created thing ahead of the Creator. @ Nick Bulbeck: Tree wrote: We are called to be like the Bereans in Acts 17:11, so the more I followed up with Davids teaching I found that he plays fast and loose with Gods word. The reason we should learn names is twofold. I dont like Platt. Theres very little Scripture in sermons. I just listened to a YRR pup give a 45 minute tearful sermon on the huge sacrifice he is making to leave the church he ruined after 5 years to be a teaching pastor in a mega. Hopefully they will all burn themselves out by being crazy busy like Platt and go away! Im not so sure God is so worried about all our acronyms..SBC, IMB, etc Is not our mission unity in love Making disciples, preaching the word to all nations? They went to provide medical expertise and other practical support to Nepalese men and women while they preached the gospel. I think there is a place for leadership at these larger churches. The local church has an indirect impact in that it can serve as a place of training, fellowship, etc. Job and home gone in one fell swoop. Im a firm believer in Capital Punishment. How many weekly training hours do you suppose it takes to actually be able to win one of those? @ Law Prof: More than anything, I want a church thats actually about God. I do think ministry of the Word takes precedence over pastoral care. Please, I prepped lesson plans for 6 math classes per day (4 different grade levels) in way, way, way less time than that! And its the craziest thing ever. Dont get me wrongI believe the Bible clearly gives the church a fair amount of temporal authority and does enjoin us to provide for folks temporal needs, be they material or emotional or whatever. Rumor has it that the IMB is super mucked up financially. He left a very happy, happy manno persecution there! In kinda scratching my head here. Who God is, and what He has done in Christ on our behalf takes precedence. Also, most pastors who are doing pastoral care/visitation/counsellingi.e., actually working with their congregations are not going to have 20-25 hours of sermon prep time. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8xysVNigCsU, Has MBC been corrupted from the simplicity of Christ ? One evening, after communion, my husband was strangely silent when we got in the car. Putting some pieces of the puzzle together, ISTM that Platt is being transitioning into Senior Pastor at McLean Bible, though obviously that announcement cannot be made just yet because Appearances and Propriety and Timing. . A vague reference to Samuels School of the Prophets is a weak link, but possible. They say the importance of the sermon is a reason they cant have any interaction with the congregation. the title teaching pastor means they do not have to interact with the peasant pew sitters. @ ZechZav: If one uses the Big Show/Event as an evangelistic/attractionistic tool, how does that align with scripture, with worship, and with the definition of church. I explain I cant do funerals, visits, phone calls, or meetings. Catching a celebrity pastor is the latest craze amongst growing churches with money an whoe leadership is seeking prestige. Additionally, DeYoung is a member of The Gospel Coalition Council and writes frequent articles for their blog, is the Senior pastor of Christ Covenant Church in Matthews, North Carolina, is an active member of the celebrity Christian conference circuit, teaches at Reformed Seminary, and is working on his Ph.D. As for spending 20-25 hours to prepare a sermon, that may be the case with a real pastor, but in my research I have found it is rarely the case with the busy celebrity preachers. Some are completely reasonable, and some would run any old church in an area that appreciated out of town. It was all titles and nonsense. But making the pulpit and the weekly sermon the center of our spiritual lives seems odd to me. David Platts mission, whether he realizes it or not, is to make MBC a social justice church. WebSpeech disorders affect roughly 11.5% of the US population, and 5% of the primary school population. But there were no other pastors. There is definitely something missing in this entire scenario. I hope this clarifies why the preaching of the Word is central. Its important to be patient and understanding when communicating. Sounds like he has taken Thom Rainers advice. In many of them, and also non-denoms, they are both shallow AND long. Preparation time can't look the same for that, but only having to preach one text a week gives me the liberty and the opportunity to spend between 20 and 25 hourssometimes less, sometimes morein the text during the week. I have not seen that to be true in most churches with most Teaching on Sunday Elders. i have a feeling it isnt wondered about. Some people got fed up with the church service and would come to the class and not attend church. Washing disciples feet delegate. What I would say is, if you ever find the perfect church, dont join youll spoil it. I dont see a vested authority required in scripture. At the time he was the youngest megachurch pastor in the United States. MBC needs to pray for discernment and examine Davids teachings. From 2014 to 2017, Platt was president of the International Mission Board. In the United States, theres a reason for that, and it has to do with income taxes. Take this opportunity to tell these supposed *pastors* what you think a pastor should be. One is an outgrowth of the other. It has been assigned to any imaginable paid position in an institutional church. an abstract you who is just a part of a mass of faces. Everything is for show to make the congregation think theres actual ministry going on. We need a place to exercise our gifts, and to receive those of others connected to the body and functioning. And I do not want that. Sadly, nothing. Most people happen to believe that a pastor should be more than a podcast on legs. @ Hope: i think most pastors are trained (whether by others or by self) to feel justified in being the recipient of tax breaks. https://www.mcleanbible.org/blog/letter-lon-solomon. Theyre not, but thats not really the point here. At MBC we have a large pastoral staff who make hospital visits, perform weddings and funerals, etc. Just because we are not catholic and they are no longer sacraments doesnt mean they cease to be important. He is just a big idea guy. It has less than half the members and attendance it had when he came. Could you comment on that? First, a general reason: God has always existed in relationshipthe loving relationship of Father, Son, and Spirit. MBC used to meet at Langley High School before building a huge church building. No longer is this business an artisan bakery, but a big time corporation. I am sure my staff are wondering why I laughed so loudly a moment ago. We should be supporting not admonishing! Nor do they ever get any deeper. When people grasp us too strongly, either with their love or with their dependence, we are intuitively conscious that they are not looking to God, and we become paralyzed in our efforts to help them. They say they write their own sermons. Which is part of why I like liturgy; the sermon can be a dud but there is still substance in the rest of the service. The same is true of the underground church today, especially in China. I think this explains the dislike many of them have for bloggers. I have recently been told that this is the beginning of moving Platt out of the IMB by letting him *discover* that he would prefer to preach instead of trying to dig himself out of the mess at the IMB. Full time pastor.TGC chairman. ), @ Law Prof: In a 35 minute sermon, how much time would you think was spent either reading from the Bible or explaining with those versus meant? Of course, you can do some evangelism at the church site. Theres always beauty in a cushy paycheck. @Richard- My family also attends (Soon to be attended) MBC and feel the exact opposite. Took me six months before my stamina came back and over a year before my gut felt normal again. Does not. Extremely astute comment, and I agree 100%. Im all over the continuum insofar as views go. I remember folks telling me to never attend the last Sunday morning service because he loves to ramble on waaaay over time since he doesnt have to worry about the next service. the realities of who bears the burden of the costs isnt part of this training. And somebody please give me chapter and verse where it says that all these task skills need to be present in one person. Exactly. But some people now say that if only we would forget church buildings and just meet in individual homes then that (and apparently only that) would be biblical. We all hold each others hands in the hospital. He never chided believers to get out there, knock on doors, join me on mission, serve your community, hand out water bottles at marathons, plant a community garden. I have said for years, that the problem with many of these pastors is that they want to be Evangelists like Billy Graham, but they want the security of a permanent church. The Holy Spirits indwelling Presence IS our witness. He would make a great traveling speaker, which is what he was before he came to Brook Hills. Mahaney.) That is simply not a position that exists in the New Testament. What about the way New Testament leaders and teachers apparently worked to provide their own physical sustenance, so they would not be burdensome on the believers, oh, say, tent-making, for example? ), Calvinism, it comes from John Calvins Institutes Of The Christian Religion; which is simply regurgitated 4th century Augustinian Gnosticism, a false gospel message. Im afraid Lon wanted out and this was the easy road. And somebody please give me chapter and verse where it says that all these task skills need to be present in one person. We have been attending MBC for 4 years. 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